I just read Eine's interview in VNA. I would have liked to see him back in his clubbing days! That would be awesome!
I dunno. When I first moved to London in 95 I saw a bunch of his trackside pieces and I kinda like his style, more than most others. I saw a thing on tv about him in 98, about him wearing a suit to work but bombing at night, and I thought it was pretty interesting, even if his tag-thing I didn't really understand. The girl I was watching it in bed with didn't understand the whole thing at all, why anyone would spend their nights walking across town to spray paint weird squiggles on walls? The relationship didn't last long.
In 2004 he asked if I wanted to make a print with POW. The artists at that time got 25% of the price the punters paid. I didn't think that was a enough, and told him I wasn't interested in making Banksy richer. He sent a five word email back - "Fuck off then, you cunt". I love it!!! I thought that was brilliant! I'm sure I badly injured my "career" turning down POW, and my not selling a few posters through them obviously didn't hurt Banksy's financial situation either!
But I just don't get why everyone is so crazy about these letters on shutters. What is it that excites them so? When I look at them I just see wonky circus typography. I'm a big fan of hand-drawn type, and have seen a lot of really good stuff. Eine's just ain't all that.
When I look at this piece above I have absolutely no feeling what-so-ever. It's not bad or good or stupid or interesting or engaging or challenging or thought-provoking or ugly or, well, anything. It's just kind of, I dunno, nothing. I wish I knew what it was that people saw in this stuff. I feel like I'm missing out, like I'm too stupid to "get it", like the person who missed the joke. Someone help!
The irony is, the VNA kids sent me a bunch of Eine fridge magnets, which I obviously stuck on the fridge, and when my girlfriend saw them she said "WOW! THESE ARE GREAT!"
I guess at least now I am somehow like the President of the United States of America... I wonder if he understands it!?
as to why people like these letters so much Dave they're simple, bold, big, colourful, repetive and unchallenging.
I wonder if Eine'll have his next show in an Early Learning Centre, releasing a pop up book as his audience love have everything spelled out for them in a safe environment.
for pure comedy check the comment on Lord Vandalflog's facebook from the Great White hunter who's Wide Open Walls colonisation project Eine ditched at the last minute to paint these big wine labels.
Lawrence Williams (WOW): This is what Eine blew out the Wide Open Walls project in The Gambia for with 45 minutes notice before the plane left. Thanks for that............
Ok, thanks. Maybe I just can't see comments because I'm not subscribed to the Lord Brandalflog hype cartel.
As for the giant letters, they were boring but mildly tolerable when on shop shutters, because at least then they wouldn't be visible during the daytime. But now they've started appearing quite a bit on walls too they've crossed over into the realm of being something really annoying on a level with advertising that you're bombarded with and can't get away from. For me, their scale and monotony have a threatening authoritarian connotation that feels like a cop screaming in your face.
ho ho I'm not subscribed to Cord Sandalclog, you just have to be logged into facebook to see his shite.
Totally agree with you it's like the ultimate CAPSLOCK keyboard king ramming his inane text into your retina.
Bet there's an Eine app in development (probably already exists) where cretins can text in pasted pictures of his shutter fonts inviting each other to the latest Alphabeat gig. Oh, no one listens to them anymore as they were so 2007? Wonder why this font fad from the same era hasn't gone the same way? I guess we can add it to the ever growing list of David Camerons many wrongs?
Ok, I'm not a facebook member so that's why then. Interesting article about the right wing politics of the people behind facebook here by the way, for anybody who hasn't seen it...
I'm working class you silly cunt so shut it. I just posted a link that's all. I don't buy or endorse the Guardian or any other newspaper. But I'm not so small minded as to ignore the information about who is behind facebook just because of what newspaper exposed it. You actually sound like a right wing troll trying to deflect the issue onto the messenger, so go fuck yourself you judgmental prick.
Nobody buys the Guardian, you've been told that already. So don't make me humiliate you again, you muggy cunt. You sound like Eine, or one of his middle class bumlicking pals desperately trying to change the subject off of how shit his letters are.
I must say, I agree with the other two posters, that bloke sounds like a Guardian reading nonce trying to hide his peculiar sexual preferences by 'trying' to come across as some sort of foul mouthed builder type. Swearing like a pikey doesn't make you right, down to Earth or middle class you silly, silly office worker.
I suspect that in reality, he's not working class but a highly placed member of the catholic church.
Meanwhile, back on topic, I think this is a fantastic example of Eines work. The colours are like a lovely pretty rainbow and the message is a happy positive one.
Apologies for my ignorance but what on good God's miracle planet has an article, from a Conservative newspaper, regarding the so called ''right wing politics of the people behind facebook'' got to do with Ben Eine?
I agree with the other three anon posters, you Sir (writer of said post) are a penis.
Go away and masturbate furiously behind your FT broadsheet, you know nothing about art apart from it's value.
Vandaldog said you can be his punk bitch if you beg hard enough.
Haha, what a sad retarded troll...you're now pretending to be 3 different people! That and your bizarre obsession with the Guardian shows that you're actually quite mentally ill. Ok, so you probably get sexually abused by a Guardian reading priest when you were a child, but try to get over it! I suggest you get back to the urban art association and wank off over some Jboy screenprints, you fool.
Jog on you self righteous middle class twat. Those other posts had eff all to do with me. I guess you just come across as a right old miserable, conservative nitwit and it wound a few people up.
Yeah ok mate, we'll let Funky check the IP's and see shall we? Strange how you started getting abusive when I mentioned something that is against extreme right wing people. That makes me think you must have similar beliefs yourself, otherwise you wouldn't get so wound up by it. Carry on with the abuse all you like...it just makes you look like a complete tory cock who has an agenda to attack anyone who doesn't like Samantha Cameron's best mate Eine or the neo-cons who run facebook. I bet you're writing all this shit from your desk at the Conservative party headquarters.
So people, it seems we have a Tory boy troll on here pretending to be 'street'. It's probably Eine getting pissed off because we don't like his boring letters. Still, it's a testament to the power of free speech on this blog that the urban art establishment are getting that worried enough to try to use personal attacks to divert attention away from the issues we're talking about.
So to all you cunts looking to protect your investments...it's far too late for that, we've seen through your bullshit and the game's up. Expect the scathing ridicule of your fake, idiotic, corrupt culture to only increase in intensity until all of your expensive screenprints are reduced to worthless pieces of waste paper that aren't even fit to wipe a dog's arse with.
could I state, for the record, that none of the above people are me (other than the first, stupidly long post at 9:28pm on the 30th) I post under my own name, in case that had escaped your notice.
my "primary recognisable motif"!?!? all right! didn't really know I had one, as I try not to paint the same thing over and over and over again. the white worm things I guess you are refering to were only painted in London for two years. Basically in the two years since "street art" became fashionable and people started taking any notice. Which reveals you as a shallow trend-following dickhead, even if you are a pig-shit factory-working child-beating working class hero.
I don't understand why people are so proud to be under-educated with a shitty job. It's just as bad as being a conservative voting cunt or a member of royalty as far as I am concerned. All human traits, and humans are cunts.
Got to go rub some cream on my thin skin now, s'laters.
It was me who said I was working class Dave, and I'm not the one who said about your worm. Being working class doesn't mean somebody is under-educated, a child beater or has a shitty job.
So people, it seems we have a right wing troll on here. It's probably Eine getting pissed off because we don't like his boring letters. Still, it's a testament to the power of free speech on this blog that the urban art establishment are getting that worried enough to try to use personal attacks to divert attention away from the issues we're talking about.
So to all you cunts looking to protect your investments...it's far too late for that, we've seen through your bullshit and the game's up. Expect the scathing ridicule of your fake, idiotic, corrupt culture to only increase in intensity until all of your expensive screenprints are reduced to worthless pieces of waste paper that aren't even fit to wipe a dogs arse with.
you really don't have a clue do you?...briefcase wanker. Stop reading wikipedia and get outside and look at art and maybe even meet people....although I suspect most folk don't even notice your existence you bland waste of air.
You're the fool who started droning on about a scabby shit blue nose paper on a street art forum.
I bet you've got such a snivelling little whiny voice and this is the only sort of place where you can get your monotonous drivel heard. You clearly know nothing about street art other than the value of those prints in your portfolio.
Eine is the bollocks and deserves every bit of publicity he receives. I don't own any of his work but I've met him and he's a fucking nice, down to Earth, salt of the world type. The complete opposite of you I'd imagine.
Art is subjective except when you like Ben Eine, a genuine street artist who's been waving the banner at the forefront of the scene for a decade plus. A scene that you cunts are supposedly celebrating on this blog.
Apparently, and according to some of you Tory tossers, it's impossible to like Eines work and if you publicly state that you do then you are either
a) a rimmer of bens bottom hole. b) a close, probably of a homosexual nature, member of Eines inner circle of friends c) a member of silky's forum d) protecting an investment e) Ben Eine himself.
Back on topic. Eine is a cunt and this piece is shit...
Nothing new in the cliched world of street art. Next week everyone's favourite Charlie 'pure shit' Pure Evil will release some hair straighteners and Remi Rough will have a little moan that no one has given him any recognition over the past 25 years
When will you thick fuckers realise that every successful/decent/respected artist has a niche of their own. Look back in the history books you morons. Every single artist has a stlye.
Lettering is Eines trademark, like it or lump it. It's instantly recognisable and it's ingrained into your amoeba sized brains whether you like it or not.
Wake up and smell your Starbucks coffee's mother fuckers.
Hey fanboy maybe you should saunter off to a more Eine friendly forum where either dissent is crushed or where everything he shites out onto a permisson/commission wall, handbag, shooting jacket etc is immediately deified as something sacred rather than the vaccuous revenant it obviously is.
And this forum doesn't celebrate street art, it documents it's demise mainly because of tacky coin chasing mugs like Eine, sucking satan's length in order to shift a bit more product into an already saturated infernal world.
You're not going to convince anyone here of Eine's or his ilk's merits so shuffle off and try and win those stickers he's currently dangling for you suckers to bite on.
Is Eine's niche pedaling out the same old tired letters of pointless words??
At least someone like ESPO does something interesting and relevant with his typographic studies and wordplay. Ben has done nothing interesting since he gave up his job being a banker's lacky
If Eine is a sell out then so is ESPO. You can't have it both ways. One is less commercial than the other.
''And this forum doesn't celebrate street art, it documents it's demise mainly because of tacky coin chasing mugs like Eine, sucking satan's length in order to shift a bit more product into an already saturated infernal world.''
I'd love to know what you do for a living oh high and mighty one. You talk like a system avoiding hippy but your spending your Sunday evening watching James May whilst spouting the moral high ground about consumerism on an art forum.
It's got nothing to do with selling out just mere talent. One has some and does something with it, the other nothing beyond one idea and a recent batch of fortunate press. Good on him I say but lets be honest, the joke got old 4 years ago.
Heh heh, yeah I avoid the system as much as I possibly can but I'm no hippy as they're mostly deluded dreamers living in a self induced drug bubble who wouldn't last 10 seconds where in the utter shit hole I inhabit which doesn't include at TV to watch Clarkson's new show where he inscribes a giant cock onto the moon with a laser.
Nor do I buy art, property, cars, holidays, jewellery etc, etc.
But lets not get sidetracked as you'd like to draw us away from the shitness of Eine.
For a laugh, can I ask how the above piece is in any way interesting and anything other than a giant advert for the wine within which the words above are directly taken from the bottle's label?
Yeah, you've got the fucking Internet though haven't you?!
And you know a lot about cadburys and McDonald's adverts.
We've all got to earn a crust my lad, even a drop out who doesn't own a tv/car/jewellery/house has to pay the bills.
Or are you just a part time pimp/part time forum blogger/ part time Eine expert?
Sounds to me like you're a lazy dss scrounger.
Eine has a great eye for colour contrasts and his free hand skills should be respected. Don't forget he's a master screen printer as well. More talented than Mr 'get my cronies to do it' Banksy.
"he's a master screen printer as well" ... Oh dear. Now you're really talking nonsense. Screen printing is so easy to do that anybody can learn it in about 15 mins and master it in half a day. Even children. I've taught people how to do it so I happen to know what I'm on about.
I can't bloody escape them slogans as they're plastered everywhere I look.
And please dont even try to guess about my life (as I haven't about yours) as I've never been on any benefit nor do I profit on others misery. But again lets not deflect this away from the topic at hand.
Eines freehand ability? Don't make me laugh as it's basic at best and pretty ropey on closer inspection. On some of his larger pieces he gets a projector out and not to mention all the hangers on he gets in to do all the donkey work filling in the larger block areas and doesn't even give them credit. He even went as so far as saying in a recent interview that he doesn't have helpers and does the work himself.
Contrast of colours is simple colour science but those colours above don't even do that well, nor so they compliment each other either.
Funny you mention Banksy and his cronies as Eine is one, responsible for going round putting up a lot of the little rats.
They're both as bad as each other and part of the same hype driven machine.
I'm not talking poo at all. Single colour screenprinting can be learnt very quickly as I was saying (10 or 15 mins) and to make multi-layered prints with different colours just involves using a basic system of registration, which means sticking some guide marks onto the bed of the printing table to ensure the paper is lined up correctly each time to receive the next layer. It's really not rocket science, despite all of the hype you may of heard from people who are promoting expensive screenprints. I've taught people how to do multi-colour screenprinting, and after a few hours practice they are usually confident enough to repeatedly do it successfully without any further help. Even people who are particularly slow or non-practical can master it in a couple of days at most. If you disagree with what I'm saying then please explain your reasons and what direct experience you've had of the medium. Cheers.
yeah I'm so sick of people carping on about screen printing like it's some lost arcane practice. It's the main reason street art is dying. All those dickheads baying for the print version of a work on the street and wank themselves into a frenzy on how many layers it has and spending loads more framing it so they can show off to other dimwits like they do with their almost identical business cards a la American Psycho.
Strange how the person here accusing everyone of being Tories is also continually bigging up David Cameron's personal street artist and is very quick to call people benefit scroungers with no evidence. Hmmm, something a bit odd about that methinks.
Hah! After the way you've talked to people on here? No chance! Maybe you can get your mate Eine to show you how, but if not then Print Club in Dalston do a one day course for 45 quid that will teach you all you need to know.
but seriously, how DO you know who you're talking to? could you at least pick some kind of name? reading this blog is beginning to make me feel like an insane person though I have to say it's much more entertaining than the EINE piece that started the discussion!
So, it's just a big advert for wine then? Then it really is a bag of shite. I think it's pretty much the end of your career selling art if you make the same stuff as advertising. At least, I wouldn't want to buy a piece of "art" that looked the same as a piece of advertising. but then I wouldn't buy a piece of art that I knew how to make myself.
Screen printing isn't all that difficult to do. Slightly more challenging than cutting a stencil. Eine learnt how to screen print in two hours (I read it in his VNA interview) As with any skill, the more you do it the better you become. I'm sure he's pulled that blade enough times to be considered a master.
I'm sure everyone on here has pulled something else enough times to be called masters too. ho ho!
Quel fucking suprise...Eine loves that ROA rabbit in Hackney...fuck the petition, lets start our own to get rid of it so we can watch the street art nonces cry...like our own version of Watership Down....
“There is a rabbit on Hackney Road, that’s right a rabbit not a knife wielding gangster, but a rabbit painted by a Belgian artist called ROA. The owners of the wall granted permission, the locals love it, school children adore it, visitors photograph it yet Hackney Council think it’s a blight on the environment and want it painted out. Please sign the petition so we can force the Council to sit down and have a meeting where for the sake of street artists, their fans and the hundreds of people who visit Hackney every week to see this great art movement in the flesh, we can try to change their policy of removing street art”. International street artist EINE lends his support to our campaign.
What's wrong with making money from art you fucking snobs...or are street artists above all that?.....maybe they don't need to eat of keep themselves under shelter? maybe because you all like street art, you think you're special and therefore the artists shouldn't 'lower' themselves by doing commissions for fat cunts who are willing to keep them in baked beans for a long time.
Maybe you feel you've made a special connection with a particular piece of street art and perhaps you've worked out the special meaning behind a giant fucking, stupid looking rabbit somewhere unimportant.
Artists are just people who paint stuff. They are not special and they should not be placed on some untouchable pedestal where they are not allowed to become big, or commercial, or mainstream, or, heavens forbid.... wealthy.....solely for your own selfish reasons as an unimportant passer by with an unimportant opinion.
After all, you fucking tory snobs, I'm pretty fucking sure that the sistine chapel was a commission advertising none other than God.
You fucking hypocrites, you make me all sick.
Oh and fuckface, I'd never take screen printing lessons of a weirdo.
You all need a reality check or a slap round the chops.
Jaxs no one said an artist can't make money, that's fine, that's life, that's a career, but, when street art is just a big advert = fucking shit, don't expect people who follow street art to like that, they won't and rightly so, it ain't about that
or better yet don't go touting their adverts on street art forums
so in your book popularity based on numbers and monetary gain automatically equal respect and artistic merit?
If so is your house full of High School Music DVD's and Dan Brown books?
A large proportion of the scene is following this profiteering agenda which is cancerous.
Not that I begrudge any artist making a living but when those artists are trading off an anti-establishment/consumerism message (as Eine does) only to turn around and take any cash thrust at them, but forgive me if I find that hypocritical.
If you're an artist who works on the street it's probably best to keep your commercial work and your street work separate and distinct in it's differences.
Eine falls down on this as this piece is indistinguishable from his non-commercial work that appears in public places.
Also I find repetetive and non-evolving artwork to be dull. Is that so wrong?
All I'm hearing from you is wildly erratic statements and personal accusations with no evidence to back them up.
If you're indicative of an Eine fan than you do him no favours with your attacks and only bolster the ill will directed towards him.
P.S Shoreditch can happily fall into the crack of it's tightly clad arse for all the shit it's squirted into the face of culture.
This piece has been posted on every street art forum mainly by people close to Eine with all the ones I'm aware of not mentioning in the first place it was an advert taken directly from a wine bottle which is disingenuous.
I've mentioned what a good rule of thumb to follow in my last post.
And does doing one obscure anti-knife crime work give carte blanche to do any number of commissions in the same style and method and not render the former piece powerless?
You bang on about tories and seem to overlook Eines hand in glove working with them such as that god awful revelling in consumerism/conservative ethos bag/wall work he did for tory Anya Hindmarch )Sam Cameron's mate) in the exact same style as the one above?
In the next breath you seem to be showering bile on anyone you see as living an alternative lifestyle.
Does the word conflicted ring a fractured bell deep in your very core?
'What about publicising the tragic death of a teenager to street crime?'nothing. that is a good thing. Kind of like when the much abused and highly naive WOW project went to help an african village through tourism EINE left them at the airport, cancelled and flew to paint this winery....so instead of helping a poor arican village, eine skanked eelus and flew to a african winery for a pay packet. so if he did a good project promoting anti-knife crime, he counterbalanced it by money again...its all about balance. people wouldnt mind if eine promoted a show, did a screenprint and made £100,000 if he did a lot of work with integrity and inventiveness - that is what art is about..after all look at the love of barry mcgee, os gemeos, espo...we applaud those who have a large scale art career (with prices attached) if their work grows, is interesting and they keep their heart and intergrity. we voice opinions on those only doing commissions and sell overprice screenprints to tories. Are there established regulations that street artists must follow to be supported by this forum?' yes. dont be shit. dont flog a dead horse (do the same thing for five years. try new things. dont cash in on graffitti and street art but only work in galleries or on commissioned walls. dont forget where your from. Is using a newly found status/recognition to advertise good causes (like the ones I've mentioned above) bad then? heres a game. list for us all the good causes he has helped. there is nothing i love more than people using their recognition for good causes, and i would never lambast eine for doing that...in fact i applaud him.you see? its not all hate here...in fact this forum is arguably the most independent and intelligent i have found in ages. but i have decried artists for not using their fame for good causes - like Banksy. if he knows he paints a wall that is then ripped down and sold for thousands why paint a pharmacist on essex road etc why not paint an orphanage or hospital? 'How witty and concise.' Witty and concise a good argument here does not make. we just want a good point wrapped in intelligence. unfortunatly your points label everyone as spiteful torie boys, and that is why everyone here labels you a mad rambling apologest. because you act it. before your posts, get off the high chair of arrogance you are on and realise where you are. this is not the urban art association (i still shudder at the name) this is STREET ART IS DEAD. this is a place where those that dont bow down to everything that we are fed, we are those that have opinions other than 'wow is there a blue variant?' or 'wow black rat press is amazing'...its like a skateboarder logging onto a rollerblader forum - we're just not going to get on. this is not another typical street art forum, this is the forum street art needs. As for labelling everyone tories, well a) it makes us like your hero 'eine' (unless you are him) b) you dont know fuck all about me, like i know fuck all about you and c) labour is the same as tories. all politicians are the same crooks. gone are the days when tories were the middle/upper class and labour was for the common man fighting for the working class underdog...after the disasterous labour days, the old mud flinging days are gone. all parties are the same, and all parties are bullshit. so if im a tory, your labour, we're both fucked.
'You're not answering my questions through are you, that's because you can't construct a decent argument to back up your bitterness.'
and
'Come on fuckers, give me your opinions.'
OK...lets try this. I also tried replying in depth to your first post last night, but blogger lost it/fucked up, so i was willing to let it go, but it seems your thoughts that silence of peoples response equals your 'victory' or somehow you are/were right couldnt go unchallenged. So, rather than come down to your level of 'debate' by labelling you with a name ('tory') and inset some swearwords lets do this properly...a
'Null mentions monetary gain and profiteering.That IS what upsets you guys isn't it.' No..its not. and thats the only argument you unapologetic 'yes'men fall back on. Its always the artists, the buyers (protecting their expensive artworks)...i dont care about the money. im not jealous of eine having a studio and house for his son in hastings thanks to street art...i truly dont care. im not a washed out artist. The reason im here is because i hate hypocrites, loud mouthed idiots and also because i actually have passion for something - graffitti, street art and art in general, and cant stand chancers/loud mouthed know it alls (i.e you and Eine).
'You can't stand it when an artist....any artist, leaves the street artist 'nest'.' i want Eine to leave the street art nest! ill help him pack his bags. he's from graffitti but now only does legals/ paid commissions...or the gallerys. hes not good enough to go alone on the merits and strengths of his art in the wider gallery art world, without his street background he is nothing in the art world. and now the streets are turning...oh dear, where does that leave him? neither legitimate street artist nor legitimate artist = uh oh, there may be trouble ahead.
Anonymous said...
'Touting his advert? I think you'll find Dr Spunky posted the pictures and created this thread.' YES, this blog is about highlighting all that is wrong with graf and street art, and this project is perfect for discussion here. as soon as you are elevated in the public eye you are also eligable for discussion...deal with it. if he didnt want people talking about it a) dont do the project b)take no pictures...oh hang on its an advert. 'Are you saying all of Eines pieces are adverts selling products? I don't think so.' I am. i am saying his recent works are selling products. lets look at his recent works - the winery in south africa, the mother advertising agency wall, the wall opposite commission for graphic design company, the moniker art fair, the selling a canvas to the camerons (and you call us tories...), the commissions...i looked on his website, and all the news is about screenprints and obama. when has he done something where he has not been commissioned? when has he done something in the last two years that hasnt had a screenprint release close? 'What about promoting a street art show?is that bad?' nothing. it would be nice to balance it out. why does everything have to promote something? why is everything going to be commissioned/promote a show/turned into a screenprint
Why do you so called art fans treat success with such bitterness and disdain? because we care. because we love art so much we dont bow down to whatever we see. because we have intelligence and a bit of knowledge on the scene and know somethings are shit and should be questioned. becuase i hate unimaginative shit get recognition and money when there are great artists unnoticed. becasue i get bored at people declaring artists works 'stunning' when they wouldnt get a b- in a gcse art exam. because i have loved graffitti and streetart but hate the way its been flooded with street and made me embarressed at liking it. because most of the successful artists in the small london-centric street art scene are killing it. if you count to 10, calm down youll notice we dont hate EVERYONE. not EVERYONE has a post filled with 20comments slating them...because not everyone deserves it. i dont hate anyone. i dont dislike everyone, but i do dislike a few artists, as is my right. why do we have to treat success with happiness and awe? should i treat Robbie Williams with happiness, reverence and unabashed love because of all the sales he has made? should i love and respect X Factor because its the media monster it is? should i be voting for adolf because the rest of the country. Its your way of thinking that leads to book burnings.
btw, I love the way that idiot above speaks for all of you. Are you all lost sheep? this priceless. lost sheep? blindly argueing for eine spot. calling.kettle...you know the rest!
Eine had a bit of success and you all feel let down because the secret got out. im glad you use past tense 'had'...he is making his own career coffin unless he drops new styles. ive never liked his shutters so i dont give a shit if the secret got out. not much of a secret if he is painting giant shutters around old st though...
'Boo hoo to the Shoreditch toss-monkeys." seen that mother commission video? Eine says its where he goes to paint in london. only in shoreditch. what does that say....why not brixton, ladbroke grove? they have people there? its street art, they have streets there...oh sorry! silly me! no graphic design agencies there! doh!
'Null mentions monetary gain and profiteering.That IS what upsets you guys isn't it.' No..its not. and thats the only argument you unapologetic 'yes'men fall back on. Its always the artists, the buyers (protecting their expensive artworks)...i dont care about the money. im not jealous of eine having a studio and house for his son in hastings thanks to street art...i truly dont care. im not a washed out artist. The reason im here is because i hate hypocrites, loud mouthed idiots and also because i actually have passion for something - graffitti, street art and art in general, and cant stand chancers/loud mouthed know it alls (i.e you and Eine).
'You can't stand it when an artist....any artist, leaves the street artist 'nest'.' i want Eine to leave the street art nest! ill help him pack his bags. he's from graffitti but now only does legals/ paid commissions...or the gallerys. hes not good enough to go alone on the merits and strengths of his art in the wider gallery art world, without his street background he is nothing in the art world. and now the streets are turning...oh dear, where does that leave him? neither legitimate street artist nor legitimate artist = uh oh, there may be trouble ahead.
Anonymous said...
'Touting his advert? I think you'll find Dr Spunky posted the pictures and created this thread.' YES, this blog is about highlighting all that is wrong with graf and street art, and this project is perfect for discussion here. as soon as you are elevated in the public eye you are also eligable for discussion...deal with it. if he didnt want people talking about it a) dont do the project b)take no pictures...oh hang on its an advert. 'Are you saying all of Eines pieces are adverts selling products? I don't think so.' I am. i am saying his recent works are selling products. lets look at his recent works - the winery in south africa, the mother advertising agency wall, the wall opposite commission for graphic design company, the moniker art fair, the selling a canvas to the camerons (and you call us tories...), the commissions...i looked on his website, and all the news is about screenprints and obama. when has he done something where he has not been commissioned? when has he done something in the last two years that hasnt had a screenprint release close? 'What about promoting a street art show?is that bad?' nothing. it would be nice to balance it out. why does everything have to promote something? why is everything going to be commissioned/promote a show/turned into a screenprint
'Null mentions monetary gain and profiteering.That IS what upsets you guys isn't it.' No..its not. and thats the only argument you unapologetic 'yes'men fall back on. Its always the artists, the buyers (protecting their expensive artworks)...i dont care about the money. im not jealous of eine having a studio and house for his son in hastings thanks to street art...i truly dont care. im not a washed out artist. The reason im here is because i hate hypocrites, loud mouthed idiots and also because i actually have passion for something - graffitti, street art and art in general, and cant stand chancers/loud mouthed know it alls (i.e you and Eine).
'You can't stand it when an artist....any artist, leaves the street artist 'nest'.' i want Eine to leave the street art nest! ill help him pack his bags. he's from graffitti but now only does legals/ paid commissions...or the gallerys. hes not good enough to go alone on the merits and strengths of his art in the wider gallery art world, without his street background he is nothing in the art world. and now the streets are turning...oh dear, where does that leave him? neither legitimate street artist nor legitimate artist = uh oh, there may be trouble ahead.
'Touting his advert? I think you'll find Dr Spunky posted the pictures and created this thread.' YES, this blog is about highlighting all that is wrong with graf and street art, and this project is perfect for discussion here. as soon as you are elevated in the public eye you are also eligable for discussion...deal with it. if he didnt want people talking about it a) dont do the project b)take no pictures...oh hang on its an advert. 'Are you saying all of Eines pieces are adverts selling products? I don't think so.' I am. i am saying his recent works are selling products. lets look at his recent works - the winery in south africa, the mother advertising agency wall, the wall opposite commission for graphic design company, the moniker art fair, the selling a canvas to the camerons (and you call us tories...), the commissions...i looked on his website, and all the news is about screenprints and obama. when has he done something where he has not been commissioned? when has he done something in the last two years that hasnt had a screenprint release close? 'What about promoting a street art show?is that bad?' nothing. it would be nice to balance it out. why does everything have to promote something? why is everything going to be commissioned/promote a show/turned into a screenprint
now that this thread bemoaning an advertisment is itself being an advertisment, can i set up 'streetartisdeadblogspotisdeadblogspot' and whinge about his we sold out?
i want to add that as is always the way, i am inspired and glad people can voice up on this blog...it makes a change to see other sides of the coin
"Buy our wine, serve it to your guests, so that they will be drunk enough to think your crappy art collection is actually really, really fantastic"
Thank you
Stormhoek
p.s. read our website, we are changing the world one sip at a time. yes, that's right, we've realised that people under the influence of alcohol make positive changes to society, like clogging up hospitals, running down pregnant mothers with their cars, and pissing on your dustbin. we are do-gooders doing good, which makes our friend Mr.Eine a good person doing a good job, so stop saying nasty things about him.
sorry kids, it was me really. I thought it was time for a comedy interlude!
I got bored of everyone shouting and thought it would be interesting to find out what the wine company Stormhoek were all about. my very brief look gives me the impression they are the "innocent smoothies" of the wine world. maybe they are helping people through selling wine. so maybe Eine got paid, but did some good at the same time? y'know, like a doctor does. they don't work for free, do they?
I still think the "art work" that started this line of discussion is pretty poor, but is it a bad thing to be paid to work for positivity? Can anyone be bothered to find out if Stormhoek are a "good" company? What if it turns out Eine is drawing attention to a company that does good for people? What if he was paid to paint a piece for a hospital or charity? Is that ok? Or do we, as artists, have to give our time for free to good causes? Can the hospital therefore ask the plumber to fix the toilets for free? Shouldn't nurses work for free, since they are helping people? see, grey areas, it's getting tricky. politics isn't just red and blue, it's not that simple. good and bad, right and wrong, it's not that simple...
If artists have to balance the paid work they do with charity work, then what about everyone else? Why is it ok for a taxi driver to earn his money by a means that pollutes the air everyone breathes? Shouldn't he be forced to repay his debt to society (his polluting), just like you expect Eine too? Everyone has a right to earn money, just as we all are allowed to decide how we spend the money we earn.
And I'm sure, as he no doubt earns more money than the rest of us, he's paying more tax money to the government than we are. So he's employing more nurses, and building more bombs. So he's a hero and a villain!!! See what I mean? Grey areas...
Anyway, I'm tired. There's probably been a Simpsons episode saying exactly what I just wrote, so I'm wasting my time! Good night x
No you Tory lover, there was an orange word/link on the homepage next to this particular thread. It was an advert.
You so called street art lovers should remember that Eine was bombing walls for 15 years before he started printing for pow. A middle aged bloke with kids is hardly going to keep on bombing just to keep you lot happy now is he? He was literally going to end up in prison too. Despite that he's still done some massive illegal pieces like VANDALISM and SCARY, just for art's sake. If someone comes along, liking what you normally do for free, for a buzz and offers you cash to repeat the style in an advert, would you really say no? You hypocrites make me spew.
The guy does a massive free piece highlighting the tragic nature of knife crime and you guys moan because it's in the same style as he normally does his work in. (do you think that's the fucking reason why they chose him?....because people would recognise it maybe)
Eine then does the enormous Prince Charles piece, in a completely different style, taking his art in a new direction and you call him unimaginative. He can't win can he? That's because some of you are so full of bile and hatred that you can't see the wood for the trees.
Selling his art was a natural progression.
He was there at the start of the scene, he's one of the reasons why the scene is so big and interesting and he deserves every bit of good fortune that comes his way.
I am not jax, I am not Eine, I'm just a fan of street art.
Every artist want's recognition for their art but you guys hate it when they get it.
I suppose there'll be a torrent of posts moaning that his work is boring and same same. I'm sure they said that to Monet regarding his obsession with water lillies too. What a pointless argument.
The vandalism piece and the scary piece you claim to be illegal were actually legal permission pieces granted by the Village Underground venue for vandalism and probably Cargo for Scary.
Were you one of the screaming horde of Eine fans that got all upset when some old school London writers went over Vandalism after seeking permission from the venue not even seeing the irony involved with complaining about it being painted over?
That Change piece could have been about anything as it's message was so vague unless you knew it's intentions and the background history. Again you overlook it exactly resembling his commercial and non commercial work thus rendering it powerless like if Coke did a HIV awareness charity poster but used their same typeface, and colour scheme.
Eine's work is nothing like as ground breaking as Monet's work at the time of it's creation. Maybe if Eine had been doing this in the 60's the comparison would be valid.
It's one big boregasm you seem to be drowning yourself in.
I and I Imagine many on here don't here hate success, we hate blind conformity, dullness and rampant consumerism.
oh and yes that Prince Charles piece was god awful and again not at all original as the techniques been done (much better) by a myriad of other artists both on the street and in galleries.
.......''That Change piece could have been about anything as it's message was so vague unless you knew it's intentions and the background history. Again you overlook it exactly resembling his commercial and non commercial work thus rendering it powerless like if Coke did a HIV awareness charity poster but used their same typeface, and colour scheme.''
Yes but if coke changed their typeface then you wouldn't know it was coke and it wouldn't have the same impact. Can you really not understand that?
The Eine 'CHANGE' took two years for permission to be granted. The parents of the tragic kid approached Eine and chose the word. Still not good enough for some of you though.
If he'd completely altered the typeface then it wouldn't have had the same impact would it?
why? because people would not have realised it was by Eine and therefore would not have raised the topic question. Don't be so blinkered.
This was weeks after the Obama news so it was absolutely perfect timing as Eines style and work became that little bit more known.
Also, while we're at it, as far as I'm aware Eine's 'POWER-UP' piece with RYCA was not a commission and again, was in a different style.
to me it seems that you rampant Eine apologist's only argument to still 'debate' on here is that he did an anti-knife crime piece 1) we have never criticised this piece, eine for doing it or its sentiment 2) just because you do one good piece for a good cause, it does not excuse you from any criticism, justify your boring last five years of art or make you mother theresa
No, you're the one getting it completely back to front here. The fact that the anti-knife crime piece was done in exactly the same style as all of his other work renders it impotent because it just looks like he's painted another giant banal word, just the same as he always does.
So unless someone already knows the quite obscure story behind it, they're more likely to think it's an Obama style cheesy political slogan painted to celebrate David Cameron becoming prime minister. Especially with Eine's history as a Conservative party ass-kisser.
So, this was painted at the very zenith of Eine hype/celebration, a time when the media were following his every move, weeks after the worlds most powerful man takes hold of a Ben Eine piece, and you think the way to get the best publicity was to do it in an unrecognisable, style?
The very fact that it was instantly recognisable highlighted the cause.
Nope, unlike your hero Eine (A.K.A David Cameron's rent boy) I'm not in the advertising business. I bet the Conservative party have already got him lined up to do the billboards for the next election.
Let's be honest though, Eine doesn't give a fuck about the kid that got stabbed. He just used this as a way to get himself some more cheap publicity. That's how fucking low certain sections of the street art movement have become.
Yeah, two years planning, yet he still couldn't come up with anything better than a worn out Obama slogan. Just goes to show how completely braindead he is.
Now go and put your tongue back into Eine's rectum Jaxs.
I agree that anti knife crime came across as an Obama reference as it was painted days after the canvas gift by Cameron and that doing it doesn't grant Eine immunity from critism on all his other work.
Also you neglect the fact that those Scary/Vandalism pieces were legal unlike you stated them as illegal.
That Powerup was again done in the same style and font as ones he did in 2007, I can't remember the word exactly as they're all so vague and samey. Think it was HELL? Anyway still more of the same legal bland brandalism with as much power in it's bite as a 17 year old Jack Russell that's lost all it's teeth.
Maybe as suggested you got to some Eine loving forum to rejoin the cheerleaders as you're not changing any minds here and you only draw more attention to the many glaring holes in Eine's worn out mask.
Just because he said so in a magazine (especially one so biased and unquestioning as VN) doesn't make it true.
I know for a fact that Vandalism was legal as I know the bloke who used to be in charge of giving permission to paint that wall. He also told me Eine roped some poor girl in to help out with the projector he used to paint it.
My God he's only gone and spelt it wrong. What a retard.
You would think someone who is a signwriter/printer/bomber-got-lucky would make sure that at least he spelt the thing right but no, it says PASSINATE
instead of PASSIONATE........what an epic moron!!!
I realise he sometimes leaves letters out to make things fit, but surely anyone with a modicum of brains would have used a & instead of an 'and' and added a ! or two at the end or something at the beginning or some such juggling strategy essential to the craft of a signwriter to make it work....especially the most powerful word in the 'composition'.
You'd think that being bereft of any talent other than being in the right place at the right time with a can of paint he would make damned sure not to show himself up to have the intellect of a bowl of pea soup which is clearly the case.
This halfwit should have got one of the labourers from the plant to check his work for him before he started.
If it can't be seen from the angle at which the piece is intended to be viewed, bearing in mind that most people who see it will see it on the web, then he might aswell have done the extra 'O'on a shutter in Clerkenwell.
But then again making this point is futile and akin to pointing out a particularly bit of bad acting by Paris Hilton.
well if an advert is scaled up it must be good and have more impact? If you see an ad in the paper for a Big Mac does your saliva start to flow but when you see it on a billboard do you rush like a rabid raccoon to the nearest Macdonalds?
I Think it's spelt McDonald's actually. Obviously advertising doesn't have that much of an impact on you, so where's does that leave your anti Eine argument now?
Great piece Eine, keep up the good work sonny Jim!
Oh I'm very glad adverts don't really soak into my mind like they pour welcomingly into your eyes.
And anyone having to fall back on picking apart an argument based on spelling or grammar must be on really flimsy ground.
Amazing you don't apply the same critique on Eine's dodgy spelling/composition in order to crowbar things to work like does on this wine advert or on his alphabets?
So fucking what, Tony Hawk sells xbox games, Tiger Woods promotes Gillette razors, Brainwash done a Nike trainer print and Banksy painted a tesco soup can.
Who the fuck would be so fucking sanctimonious and up their own arse as to actually give a fuck.
Shouldnt you be making multiple accounts on the urbane arse forum so you can vote up your little leg-end's chance of winning an award almost as pointless as his art?
Why do you so called art fans treat success with such bitterness and disdain? because we care. because we love art so much we dont bow down to whatever we see. because we have intelligence and a bit of knowledge on the scene and know somethings are shit and should be questioned. becuase i hate unimaginative shit get recognition and money when there are great artists unnoticed. becasue i get bored at people declaring artists works 'stunning' when they wouldnt get a b- in a gcse art exam. because i have loved graffitti and streetart but hate the way its been flooded with street and made me embarressed at liking it. because most of the successful artists in the small london-centric street art scene are killing it. if you count to 10, calm down youll notice we dont hate EVERYONE. not EVERYONE has a post filled with 20comments slating them...because not everyone deserves it. i dont hate anyone. i dont dislike everyone, but i do dislike a few artists, as is my right. why do we have to treat success with happiness and awe? should i treat Robbie Williams with happiness, reverence and unabashed love because of all the sales he has made? should i love and respect X Factor because its the media monster it is? should i be voting for adolf because the rest of the country. Its your way of thinking that leads to book burnings.
btw, I love the way that idiot above speaks for all of you. Are you all lost sheep? this priceless. lost sheep? blindly argueing for eine spot. calling.kettle...you know the rest!
Eine had a bit of success and you all feel let down because the secret got out. im glad you use past tense 'had'...he is making his own career coffin unless he drops new styles. ive never liked his shutters so i dont give a shit if the secret got out. not much of a secret if he is painting giant shutters around old st though...
'Boo hoo to the Shoreditch toss-monkeys." seen that mother commission video? Eine says its where he goes to paint in london. only in shoreditch. what does that say....why not brixton, ladbroke grove? they have people there? its street art, they have streets there...oh sorry! silly me! no graphic design agencies there! doh!
If it can't be seen from the angle at which the piece is intended to be viewed, bearing in mind that most people who see it will see it on the web, then he might aswell have done the extra 'O'on a shutter in Clerkenwell.
But then again making this point is futile and akin to pointing out a particularly bit of bad acting by Paris Hilton.
Yeah, you've got the fucking Internet though haven't you?!
And you know a lot about cadburys and McDonald's adverts.
We've all got to earn a crust my lad, even a drop out who doesn't own a tv/car/jewellery/house has to pay the bills.
Or are you just a part time pimp/part time forum blogger/ part time Eine expert?
Sounds to me like you're a lazy dss scrounger.
Eine has a great eye for colour contrasts and his free hand skills should be respected. Don't forget he's a master screen printer as well. More talented than Mr 'get my cronies to do it' Banksy.
Back on topic. Eine is a cunt and this piece is shit...
Nothing new in the cliched world of street art. Next week everyone's favourite Charlie 'pure shit' Pure Evil will release some hair straighteners and Remi Rough will have a little moan that no one has given him any recognition over the past 25 years
Nobody buys the Guardian, you've been told that already. So don't make me humiliate you again, you muggy cunt. You sound like Eine, or one of his middle class bumlicking pals desperately trying to change the subject off of how shit his letters are.
Ok, thanks. Maybe I just can't see comments because I'm not subscribed to the Lord Brandalflog hype cartel.
As for the giant letters, they were boring but mildly tolerable when on shop shutters, because at least then they wouldn't be visible during the daytime. But now they've started appearing quite a bit on walls too they've crossed over into the realm of being something really annoying on a level with advertising that you're bombarded with and can't get away from. For me, their scale and monotony have a threatening authoritarian connotation that feels like a cop screaming in your face.
I just read Eine's interview in VNA. I would have liked to see him back in his clubbing days! That would be awesome!
I dunno. When I first moved to London in 95 I saw a bunch of his trackside pieces and I kinda like his style, more than most others. I saw a thing on tv about him in 98, about him wearing a suit to work but bombing at night, and I thought it was pretty interesting, even if his tag-thing I didn't really understand. The girl I was watching it in bed with didn't understand the whole thing at all, why anyone would spend their nights walking across town to spray paint weird squiggles on walls? The relationship didn't last long.
In 2004 he asked if I wanted to make a print with POW. The artists at that time got 25% of the price the punters paid. I didn't think that was a enough, and told him I wasn't interested in making Banksy richer. He sent a five word email back - "Fuck off then, you cunt". I love it!!! I thought that was brilliant! I'm sure I badly injured my "career" turning down POW, and my not selling a few posters through them obviously didn't hurt Banksy's financial situation either!
But I just don't get why everyone is so crazy about these letters on shutters. What is it that excites them so? When I look at them I just see wonky circus typography. I'm a big fan of hand-drawn type, and have seen a lot of really good stuff. Eine's just ain't all that.
When I look at this piece above I have absolutely no feeling what-so-ever. It's not bad or good or stupid or interesting or engaging or challenging or thought-provoking or ugly or, well, anything. It's just kind of, I dunno, nothing. I wish I knew what it was that people saw in this stuff. I feel like I'm missing out, like I'm too stupid to "get it", like the person who missed the joke. Someone help!
The irony is, the VNA kids sent me a bunch of Eine fridge magnets, which I obviously stuck on the fridge, and when my girlfriend saw them she said "WOW! THESE ARE GREAT!"
I guess at least now I am somehow like the President of the United States of America... I wonder if he understands it!?
The inherent paradox of this piece is that it's both garish and dull at the same time.
ReplyDeleteCHANGE THE CHANNEL X FACTOR IS ON
ReplyDeleteI just read Eine's interview in VNA. I would have liked to see him back in his clubbing days! That would be awesome!
ReplyDeleteI dunno. When I first moved to London in 95 I saw a bunch of his trackside pieces and I kinda like his style, more than most others. I saw a thing on tv about him in 98, about him wearing a suit to work but bombing at night, and I thought it was pretty interesting, even if his tag-thing I didn't really understand. The girl I was watching it in bed with didn't understand the whole thing at all, why anyone would spend their nights walking across town to spray paint weird squiggles on walls? The relationship didn't last long.
In 2004 he asked if I wanted to make a print with POW. The artists at that time got 25% of the price the punters paid. I didn't think that was a enough, and told him I wasn't interested in making Banksy richer. He sent a five word email back - "Fuck off then, you cunt". I love it!!! I thought that was brilliant! I'm sure I badly injured my "career" turning down POW, and my not selling a few posters through them obviously didn't hurt Banksy's financial situation either!
But I just don't get why everyone is so crazy about these letters on shutters. What is it that excites them so? When I look at them I just see wonky circus typography. I'm a big fan of hand-drawn type, and have seen a lot of really good stuff. Eine's just ain't all that.
When I look at this piece above I have absolutely no feeling what-so-ever. It's not bad or good or stupid or interesting or engaging or challenging or thought-provoking or ugly or, well, anything. It's just kind of, I dunno, nothing. I wish I knew what it was that people saw in this stuff. I feel like I'm missing out, like I'm too stupid to "get it", like the person who missed the joke. Someone help!
The irony is, the VNA kids sent me a bunch of Eine fridge magnets, which I obviously stuck on the fridge, and when my girlfriend saw them she said "WOW! THESE ARE GREAT!"
I guess at least now I am somehow like the President of the United States of America... I wonder if he understands it!?
yours
Confused in Berlin
as to why people like these letters so much Dave they're simple, bold, big, colourful, repetive and unchallenging.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if Eine'll have his next show in an Early Learning Centre, releasing a pop up book as his audience love have everything spelled out for them in a safe environment.
for pure comedy check the comment on Lord Vandalflog's facebook from the Great White hunter who's Wide Open Walls colonisation project Eine ditched at the last minute to paint these big wine labels.
ReplyDeletewww.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=171841126166787&set=a.139197186097848.25320.125702410780659
Can't see anything there, it must have been deleted. What did it say?
ReplyDelete25%? Shhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiittttttt!
ReplyDeleteIt's still there.
ReplyDeleteHere is what it says:
Lawrence Williams (WOW): This is what Eine blew out the Wide Open Walls project in The Gambia for with 45 minutes notice before the plane left. Thanks for that............
Ok, thanks. Maybe I just can't see comments because I'm not subscribed to the Lord Brandalflog hype cartel.
ReplyDeleteAs for the giant letters, they were boring but mildly tolerable when on shop shutters, because at least then they wouldn't be visible during the daytime. But now they've started appearing quite a bit on walls too they've crossed over into the realm of being something really annoying on a level with advertising that you're bombarded with and can't get away from. For me, their scale and monotony have a threatening authoritarian connotation that feels like a cop screaming in your face.
ho ho I'm not subscribed to Cord Sandalclog, you just have to be logged into facebook to see his shite.
ReplyDeleteTotally agree with you it's like the ultimate CAPSLOCK keyboard king ramming his inane text into your retina.
Bet there's an Eine app in development (probably already exists) where cretins can text in pasted pictures of his shutter fonts inviting each other to the latest Alphabeat gig. Oh, no one listens to them anymore as they were so 2007? Wonder why this font fad from the same era hasn't gone the same way?
I guess we can add it to the ever growing list of David Camerons many wrongs?
Ok, I'm not a facebook member so that's why then. Interesting article about the right wing politics of the people behind facebook here by the way, for anybody who hasn't seen it...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jan/14/facebook
I'm not logged into I'm conservative cunt dot com so I can't read that article........so fuck off.
ReplyDeleteI don't think you quite get it mate. Never mind. Try Blandalog instead, that's probably more your level.
ReplyDeleteNaff off you Guardian buying toff. You're the reason why street art is dying a painful death.
ReplyDeleteTake your all knowing, You're not on my level coz I read a Tory paper, self righteous, fuckwit self elsewhere you snob.
I'm working class you silly cunt so shut it. I just posted a link that's all. I don't buy or endorse the Guardian or any other newspaper. But I'm not so small minded as to ignore the information about who is behind facebook just because of what newspaper exposed it. You actually sound like a right wing troll trying to deflect the issue onto the messenger, so go fuck yourself you judgmental prick.
ReplyDeletepretty amusing from someone whose primary recognisable motifs are a worm with semi circular eyes and a notoriously thin skin for criticism
ReplyDeleteIs Jane Jaxs's halitosis the result of how often and how far her tongue's up Eine's arse?
ReplyDeleteE I N E I S B O R I N G.
That bloke who buys the Guardian (above) sounds like a right cunt.
ReplyDeleteProbably got a nice little office job somewhere.
Nobody buys the Guardian, you've been told that already. So don't make me humiliate you again, you muggy cunt. You sound like Eine, or one of his middle class bumlicking pals desperately trying to change the subject off of how shit his letters are.
ReplyDeleteI must say, I agree with the other two posters, that bloke sounds like a Guardian reading nonce trying to hide his peculiar sexual preferences by 'trying' to come across as some sort of foul mouthed builder type. Swearing like a pikey doesn't make you right, down to Earth or middle class you silly, silly office worker.
ReplyDeleteI suspect that in reality, he's not working class but a highly placed member of the catholic church.
Meanwhile, back on topic, I think this is a fantastic example of Eines work. The colours are like a lovely pretty rainbow and the message is a happy positive one.
Hoorah Ben Eine, street arts saviour.
Apologies for my ignorance but what on good God's miracle planet has an article, from a Conservative newspaper, regarding the so called ''right wing politics of the people behind facebook'' got to do with Ben Eine?
ReplyDeleteI agree with the other three anon posters, you Sir (writer of said post) are a penis.
Go away and masturbate furiously behind your FT broadsheet, you know nothing about art apart from it's value.
Vandaldog said you can be his punk bitch if you beg hard enough.
Haha, what a sad retarded troll...you're now pretending to be 3 different people! That and your bizarre obsession with the Guardian shows that you're actually quite mentally ill. Ok, so you probably get sexually abused by a Guardian reading priest when you were a child, but try to get over it! I suggest you get back to the urban art association and wank off over some Jboy screenprints, you fool.
ReplyDeleteJog on you self righteous middle class twat. Those other posts had eff all to do with me. I guess you just come across as a right old miserable, conservative nitwit and it wound a few people up.
ReplyDeleteI can see why.
Daft little stockbroker.
C R
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this argument was brought to you by Jacob's Creek. Proud sponsors of street art.
ReplyDeleteYeah ok mate, we'll let Funky check the IP's and see shall we? Strange how you started getting abusive when I mentioned something that is against extreme right wing people. That makes me think you must have similar beliefs yourself, otherwise you wouldn't get so wound up by it. Carry on with the abuse all you like...it just makes you look like a complete tory cock who has an agenda to attack anyone who doesn't like Samantha Cameron's best mate Eine or the neo-cons who run facebook. I bet you're writing all this shit from your desk at the Conservative party headquarters.
ReplyDeleteMy word you're a boring little Tory boy oik.
ReplyDeleteThere is no place for a dimwit like you in the strret art world. Fuck off and leave it to those of us who still keep it real.
"Keep it real"?? haha, yeah...using 10 year out of date hip-hop cliché phrases like that makes you real? You're just making yourself look like even more of a cock every time you speak.
ReplyDeleteSo people, it seems we have a Tory boy troll on here pretending to be 'street'. It's probably Eine getting pissed off because we don't like his boring letters. Still, it's a testament to the power of free speech on this blog that the urban art establishment are getting that worried enough to try to use personal attacks to divert attention away from the issues we're talking about.
So to all you cunts looking to protect your investments...it's far too late for that, we've seen through your bullshit and the game's up. Expect the scathing ridicule of your fake, idiotic, corrupt culture to only increase in intensity until all of your expensive screenprints are reduced to worthless pieces of waste paper that aren't even fit to wipe a dog's arse with.
could I state, for the record, that none of the above people are me (other than the first, stupidly long post at 9:28pm on the 30th)
ReplyDeleteI post under my own name, in case that had escaped your notice.
my "primary recognisable motif"!?!? all right! didn't really know I had one, as I try not to paint the same thing over and over and over again. the white worm things I guess you are refering to were only painted in London for two years. Basically in the two years since "street art" became fashionable and people started taking any notice. Which reveals you as a shallow trend-following dickhead, even if you are a pig-shit factory-working child-beating working class hero.
I don't understand why people are so proud to be under-educated with a shitty job. It's just as bad as being a conservative voting cunt or a member of royalty as far as I am concerned. All human traits, and humans are cunts.
Got to go rub some cream on my thin skin now, s'laters.
It was me who said I was working class Dave, and I'm not the one who said about your worm. Being working class doesn't mean somebody is under-educated, a child beater or has a shitty job.
ReplyDeleteI like Dave the chimp, he keeps it real and tells it like it is....unlike that Tory twat.
ReplyDelete"Keep it real"?? haha, yeah...using 10 year out of date hip-hop cliché phrases like that makes you real? You're just making yourself look like even more of a knob every time you speak.
ReplyDeleteSo people, it seems we have a right wing troll on here. It's probably Eine getting pissed off because we don't like his boring letters. Still, it's a testament to the power of free speech on this blog that the urban art establishment are getting that worried enough to try to use personal attacks to divert attention away from the issues we're talking about.
So to all you cunts looking to protect your investments...it's far too late for that, we've seen through your bullshit and the game's up. Expect the scathing ridicule of your fake, idiotic, corrupt culture to only increase in intensity until all of your expensive screenprints are reduced to worthless pieces of waste paper that aren't even fit to wipe a dogs arse with.
10 year out of date hip hop cliche?
ReplyDeleteyou really don't have a clue do you?...briefcase wanker. Stop reading wikipedia and get outside and look at art and maybe even meet people....although I suspect most folk don't even notice your existence you bland waste of air.
You're the fool who started droning on about a scabby shit blue nose paper on a street art forum.
I bet you've got such a snivelling little whiny voice and this is the only sort of place where you can get your monotonous drivel heard. You clearly know nothing about street art other than the value of those prints in your portfolio.
Eine is the bollocks and deserves every bit of publicity he receives. I don't own any of his work but I've met him and he's a fucking nice, down to Earth, salt of the world type. The complete opposite of you I'd imagine.
Don't you mean Eine is bollocks? And featureless bollocks at that? Smooth as his bald patch but not nearly as threadbare as his art.
ReplyDeleteOh yeah, that's what I ment.
ReplyDeleteSorry like.
Eine is the bollocks?? Hahahaha....I knew you had an agenda. Cheers for finally revealing it.
ReplyDeleteFuck off Eine, we're all bored with your oversized childish letters and your greedy desire to rinse every last penny out of street art.
Art is subjective except when you like Ben Eine, a genuine street artist who's been waving the banner at the forefront of the scene for a decade plus. A scene that you cunts are supposedly celebrating on this blog.
ReplyDeleteApparently, and according to some of you Tory tossers, it's impossible to like Eines work and if you publicly state that you do then you are either
a) a rimmer of bens bottom hole.
b) a close, probably of a homosexual nature, member of Eines inner circle of friends
c) a member of silky's forum
d) protecting an investment
e) Ben Eine himself.
Some of you fuckers make me sick.
Back on topic. Eine is a cunt and this piece is shit...
ReplyDeleteNothing new in the cliched world of street art. Next week everyone's favourite Charlie 'pure shit' Pure Evil will release some hair straighteners and Remi Rough will have a little moan that no one has given him any recognition over the past 25 years
When will you thick fuckers realise that every successful/decent/respected artist has a niche of their own. Look back in the history books you morons. Every single artist has a stlye.
ReplyDeleteLettering is Eines trademark, like it or lump it. It's instantly recognisable and it's ingrained into your amoeba sized brains whether you like it or not.
Wake up and smell your Starbucks coffee's mother fuckers.
Hey fanboy maybe you should saunter off to a more Eine friendly forum where either dissent is crushed or where everything he shites out onto a permisson/commission wall, handbag, shooting jacket etc is immediately deified as something sacred rather than the vaccuous revenant it obviously is.
ReplyDeleteAnd this forum doesn't celebrate street art, it documents it's demise mainly because of tacky coin chasing mugs like Eine, sucking satan's length in order to shift a bit more product into an already saturated infernal world.
You're not going to convince anyone here of Eine's or his ilk's merits so shuffle off and try and win those stickers he's currently dangling for you suckers to bite on.
Is Eine's niche pedaling out the same old tired letters of pointless words??
ReplyDeleteAt least someone like ESPO does something interesting and relevant with his typographic studies and wordplay. Ben has done nothing interesting since he gave up his job being a banker's lacky
If Eine is a sell out then so is ESPO. You can't have it both ways. One is less commercial than the other.
ReplyDelete''And this forum doesn't celebrate street art, it documents it's demise mainly because of tacky coin chasing mugs like Eine, sucking satan's length in order to shift a bit more product into an already saturated infernal world.''
I'd love to know what you do for a living oh high and mighty one. You talk like a system avoiding hippy but your spending your Sunday evening watching James May whilst spouting the moral high ground about consumerism on an art forum.
Another hypocrite.
It's got nothing to do with selling out just mere talent. One has some and does something with it, the other nothing beyond one idea and a recent batch of fortunate press. Good on him I say but lets be honest, the joke got old 4 years ago.
ReplyDeleteFine, maybe he is shit. I just don't know. I'll phone Simon Cowell....he knows what we all like.
ReplyDeleteGod damn I love this blog! At last somewhere to balance out all the new jack street art arselickers
ReplyDeleteHeh heh, yeah I avoid the system as much as I possibly can but I'm no hippy as they're mostly deluded dreamers living in a self induced drug bubble who wouldn't last 10 seconds where in the utter shit hole I inhabit which doesn't include at TV to watch Clarkson's new show where he inscribes a giant cock onto the moon with a laser.
ReplyDeleteNor do I buy art, property, cars, holidays, jewellery etc, etc.
But lets not get sidetracked as you'd like to draw us away from the shitness of Eine.
For a laugh, can I ask how the above piece is in any way interesting and anything other than a giant advert for the wine within which the words above are directly taken from the bottle's label?
What's next for Eine?
SPOTS VS STRIPES or more apt IM LOVIN IT?
Yeah, you've got the fucking Internet though haven't you?!
ReplyDeleteAnd you know a lot about cadburys and McDonald's adverts.
We've all got to earn a crust my lad, even a drop out who doesn't own a tv/car/jewellery/house has to pay the bills.
Or are you just a part time pimp/part time forum blogger/ part time Eine expert?
Sounds to me like you're a lazy dss scrounger.
Eine has a great eye for colour contrasts and his free hand skills should be respected. Don't forget he's a master screen printer as well. More talented than Mr 'get my cronies to do it' Banksy.
"he's a master screen printer as well" ... Oh dear. Now you're really talking nonsense. Screen printing is so easy to do that anybody can learn it in about 15 mins and master it in half a day. Even children. I've taught people how to do it so I happen to know what I'm on about.
ReplyDeleteI can't bloody escape them slogans as they're plastered everywhere I look.
ReplyDeleteAnd please dont even try to guess about my life (as I haven't about yours) as I've never been on any benefit nor do I profit on others misery. But again lets not deflect this away from the topic at hand.
Eines freehand ability? Don't make me laugh as it's basic at best and pretty ropey on closer inspection. On some of his larger pieces he gets a projector out and not to mention all the hangers on he gets in to do all the donkey work filling in the larger block areas and doesn't even give them credit. He even went as so far as saying in a recent interview that he doesn't have helpers and does the work himself.
Contrast of colours is simple colour science but those colours above don't even do that well, nor so they compliment each other either.
Funny you mention Banksy and his cronies as Eine is one, responsible for going round putting up a lot of the little rats.
They're both as bad as each other and part of the same hype driven machine.
Eine where next with his esoteric lettering? Asda
ReplyDeleteWaitrose is probaly more his bag Funky.
ReplyDeleteMulti layered screen printing is far from easy so don't talk poo. Eine is well respected in that field.
ReplyDeleteif only he didn't let so many slip out the back door
ReplyDeleteI'm not talking poo at all. Single colour screenprinting can be learnt very quickly as I was saying (10 or 15 mins) and to make multi-layered prints with different colours just involves using a basic system of registration, which means sticking some guide marks onto the bed of the printing table to ensure the paper is lined up correctly each time to receive the next layer. It's really not rocket science, despite all of the hype you may of heard from people who are promoting expensive screenprints. I've taught people how to do multi-colour screenprinting, and after a few hours practice they are usually confident enough to repeatedly do it successfully without any further help. Even people who are particularly slow or non-practical can master it in a couple of days at most. If you disagree with what I'm saying then please explain your reasons and what direct experience you've had of the medium. Cheers.
ReplyDeleteyeah I'm so sick of people carping on about screen printing like it's some lost arcane practice. It's the main reason street art is dying. All those dickheads baying for the print version of a work on the street and wank themselves into a frenzy on how many layers it has and spending loads more framing it so they can show off to other dimwits like they do with their almost identical business cards a la American Psycho.
ReplyDeleteStrange how the person here accusing everyone of being Tories is also continually bigging up David Cameron's personal street artist and is very quick to call people benefit scroungers with no evidence. Hmmm, something a bit odd about that methinks.
ReplyDeletenothing odd about me.
ReplyDeleteI'm Labour and always will be, however much they fuck things up.
I'd like to do screenprinting......teach me!
Hah! After the way you've talked to people on here? No chance! Maybe you can get your mate Eine to show you how, but if not then Print Club in Dalston do a one day course for 45 quid that will teach you all you need to know.
ReplyDeleteHow do all you anonymous cowards know who you're talking to?
ReplyDeleteSo 'Gimp Biscuit' is your real name then?
ReplyDeleteGimp biscuit paly soggy biscuit with himself.
ReplyDeletebut seriously, how DO you know who you're talking to?
ReplyDeletecould you at least pick some kind of name?
reading this blog is beginning to make me feel like an insane person
though I have to say it's much more entertaining than the EINE piece that started the discussion!
So, it's just a big advert for wine then? Then it really is a bag of shite. I think it's pretty much the end of your career selling art if you make the same stuff as advertising. At least, I wouldn't want to buy a piece of "art" that looked the same as a piece of advertising. but then I wouldn't buy a piece of art that I knew how to make myself.
Screen printing isn't all that difficult to do. Slightly more challenging than cutting a stencil. Eine learnt how to screen print in two hours (I read it in his VNA interview) As with any skill, the more you do it the better you become. I'm sure he's pulled that blade enough times to be considered a master.
I'm sure everyone on here has pulled something else enough times to be called masters too. ho ho!
Hey Funky, is 60 posts a record?
Good points Dave, from now on he should be known as Weine as there's now no difference between his art and advertising.
ReplyDeleteQuel fucking suprise...Eine loves that ROA rabbit in Hackney...fuck the petition, lets start our own to get rid of it so we can watch the street art nonces cry...like our own version of Watership Down....
ReplyDelete“There is a rabbit on Hackney Road, that’s right a rabbit not a knife wielding gangster, but a rabbit painted by a Belgian artist called ROA. The owners of the wall granted permission, the locals love it, school children adore it, visitors photograph it yet Hackney Council think it’s a blight on the environment and want it painted out. Please sign the petition so we can force the Council to sit down and have a meeting where for the sake of street artists, their fans and the hundreds of people who visit Hackney every week to see this great art movement in the flesh, we can try to change their policy of removing street art”. International street artist EINE lends his support to our campaign.
What's wrong with making money from art you fucking snobs...or are street artists above all that?.....maybe they don't need to eat of keep themselves under shelter? maybe because you all like street art, you think you're special and therefore the artists shouldn't 'lower' themselves by doing commissions for fat cunts who are willing to keep them in baked beans for a long time.
ReplyDeleteMaybe you feel you've made a special connection with a particular piece of street art and perhaps you've worked out the special meaning behind a giant fucking, stupid looking rabbit somewhere unimportant.
Artists are just people who paint stuff. They are not special and they should not be placed on some untouchable pedestal where they are not allowed to become big, or commercial, or mainstream, or, heavens forbid.... wealthy.....solely for your own selfish reasons as an unimportant passer by with an unimportant opinion.
After all, you fucking tory snobs, I'm pretty fucking sure that the sistine chapel was a commission advertising none other than God.
You fucking hypocrites, you make me all sick.
Oh and fuckface, I'd never take screen printing lessons of a weirdo.
You all need a reality check or a slap round the chops.
Oh dear, looks like somebody let the mentally ill troll out of their cage again.
ReplyDeleteI think the pro-Eine nutter on here is actually Jaxs.
ReplyDeleteYou're not answering my questions through are you, that's because you can't construct a decent argument to back up your bitterness.
ReplyDeleteEine had a bit of success and you all feel let down because the secret got out.
Boo hoo to the Shoreditch toss-monkeys.
Pathetic.
You're just a mad fat old lady with bad breath and bad taste in art ranting like an idiot and we're all bored with you.
ReplyDeletewhy cant you make a decent argument why you this is nothing but a shallow weine advert by a Tory sponsored insurance shunter?
ReplyDeleteHe should have stuck to painting trains as he was pretty good at that but everything else has been tedious at best, disastrous at worst.
Care Bears? Pixelated Prince Charles? What's next Fisher Price spelling blocks or designing the packaging for Duchy Originals?
How witty and concise.
ReplyDeleteThe question is left unanswered though isn't it.
It's not just about Eine you blinkered chimps, it's about the whole scene.
Why do you so called art fans treat success with such bitterness and disdain?
Why is success and recognition selling out?
btw, I love the way that idiot above speaks for all of you. Are you all lost sheep?
Come on fuckers, give me your opinions.
Jaxs no one said an artist can't make money, that's fine, that's life, that's a career, but, when street art is just a big advert = fucking shit, don't expect people who follow street art to like that, they won't and rightly so, it ain't about that
ReplyDeleteor better yet don't go touting their adverts on street art forums
so in your book popularity based on numbers and monetary gain automatically equal respect and artistic merit?
ReplyDeleteIf so is your house full of High School Music DVD's and Dan Brown books?
A large proportion of the scene is following this profiteering agenda which is cancerous.
Not that I begrudge any artist making a living but when those artists are trading off an anti-establishment/consumerism message (as Eine does) only to turn around and take any cash thrust at them, but forgive me if I find that hypocritical.
If you're an artist who works on the street it's probably best to keep your commercial work and your street work separate and distinct in it's differences.
Eine falls down on this as this piece is indistinguishable from his non-commercial work that appears in public places.
Also I find repetetive and non-evolving artwork to be dull. Is that so wrong?
All I'm hearing from you is wildly erratic statements and personal accusations with no evidence to back them up.
If you're indicative of an Eine fan than you do him no favours with your attacks and only bolster the ill will directed towards him.
P.S Shoreditch can happily fall into the crack of it's tightly clad arse for all the shit it's squirted into the face of culture.
Touting his advert?
ReplyDeleteI think you'll find Dr Spunky posted the pictures and created this thread.
Are you saying all of Eines pieces are adverts selling products?
I don't think so.
What about promoting a street art show?
is that bad?
What about publicising the tragic death of a teenager to street crime?
Is that against the 'rules' too?
Are there established regulations that street artists must follow to be supported by this forum?
Is using a newly found status/recognition to advertise good causes (like the ones I've mentioned above) bad then?
should Eine have shrivelled up and hidden in an unheated squat somewhere just to remain street and in with the shoreditch crowd?
maybe you could all let us know what the rules are eh?
And we come full circle.
ReplyDeleteNull mentions monetary gain and profiteering.
That IS what upsets you guys isn't it.
You can't stand it when an artist....any artist, leaves the street artist 'nest'.
This piece has been posted on every street art forum mainly by people close to Eine with all the ones I'm aware of not mentioning in the first place it was an advert taken directly from a wine bottle which is disingenuous.
ReplyDeleteI've mentioned what a good rule of thumb to follow in my last post.
And does doing one obscure anti-knife crime work give carte blanche to do any number of commissions in the same style and method and not render the former piece powerless?
You bang on about tories and seem to overlook Eines hand in glove working with them such as that god awful revelling in consumerism/conservative ethos bag/wall work he did for tory Anya Hindmarch )Sam Cameron's mate) in the exact same style as the one above?
In the next breath you seem to be showering bile on anyone you see as living an alternative lifestyle.
Does the word conflicted ring a fractured bell deep in your very core?
'What about publicising the tragic death of a teenager to street crime?'nothing. that is a good thing. Kind of like when the much abused and highly naive WOW project went to help an african village through tourism EINE left them at the airport, cancelled and flew to paint this winery....so instead of helping a poor arican village, eine skanked eelus and flew to a african winery for a pay packet. so if he did a good project promoting anti-knife crime, he counterbalanced it by money again...its all about balance. people wouldnt mind if eine promoted a show, did a screenprint and made £100,000 if he did a lot of work with integrity and inventiveness - that is what art is about..after all look at the love of barry mcgee, os gemeos, espo...we applaud those who have a large scale art career (with prices attached) if their work grows, is interesting and they keep their heart and intergrity. we voice opinions on those only doing commissions and sell overprice screenprints to tories. Are there established regulations that street artists must follow to be supported by this forum?' yes. dont be shit. dont flog a dead horse (do the same thing for five years. try new things. dont cash in on graffitti and street art but only work in galleries or on commissioned walls. dont forget where your from. Is using a newly found status/recognition to advertise good causes (like the ones I've mentioned above) bad then? heres a game. list for us all the good causes he has helped. there is nothing i love more than people using their recognition for good causes, and i would never lambast eine for doing that...in fact i applaud him.you see? its not all hate here...in fact this forum is arguably the most independent and intelligent i have found in ages. but i have decried artists for not using their fame for good causes - like Banksy. if he knows he paints a wall that is then ripped down and sold for thousands why paint a pharmacist on essex road etc why not paint an orphanage or hospital?
ReplyDelete'How witty and concise.' Witty and concise a good argument here does not make. we just want a good point wrapped in intelligence. unfortunatly your points label everyone as spiteful torie boys, and that is why everyone here labels you a mad rambling apologest. because you act it. before your posts, get off the high chair of arrogance you are on and realise where you are. this is not the urban art association (i still shudder at the name) this is STREET ART IS DEAD. this is a place where those that dont bow down to everything that we are fed, we are those that have opinions other than 'wow is there a blue variant?' or 'wow black rat press is amazing'...its like a skateboarder logging onto a rollerblader forum - we're just not going to get on. this is not another typical street art forum, this is the forum street art needs.
As for labelling everyone tories, well a) it makes us like your hero 'eine' (unless you are him) b) you dont know fuck all about me, like i know fuck all about you and c) labour is the same as tories. all politicians are the same crooks. gone are the days when tories were the middle/upper class and labour was for the common man fighting for the working class underdog...after the disasterous labour days, the old mud flinging days are gone. all parties are the same, and all parties are bullshit. so if im a tory, your labour, we're both fucked.
'You're not answering my questions through are you, that's because you can't construct a decent argument to back up your bitterness.'
ReplyDeleteand
'Come on fuckers, give me your opinions.'
OK...lets try this. I also tried replying in depth to your first post last night, but blogger lost it/fucked up, so i was willing to let it go, but it seems your thoughts that silence of peoples response equals your 'victory' or somehow you are/were right couldnt go unchallenged.
So, rather than come down to your level of 'debate' by labelling you with a name ('tory') and inset some swearwords lets do this properly...a
'Null mentions monetary gain and profiteering.That IS what upsets you guys isn't it.' No..its not. and thats the only argument you unapologetic 'yes'men fall back on. Its always the artists, the buyers (protecting their expensive artworks)...i dont care about the money. im not jealous of eine having a studio and house for his son in hastings thanks to street art...i truly dont care. im not a washed out artist. The reason im here is because i hate hypocrites, loud mouthed idiots and also because i actually have passion for something - graffitti, street art and art in general, and cant stand chancers/loud mouthed know it alls (i.e you and Eine).
'You can't stand it when an artist....any artist, leaves the street artist 'nest'.' i want Eine to leave the street art nest! ill help him pack his bags. he's from graffitti but now only does legals/ paid commissions...or the gallerys. hes not good enough to go alone on the merits and strengths of his art in the wider gallery art world, without his street background he is nothing in the art world. and now the streets are turning...oh dear, where does that leave him? neither legitimate street artist nor legitimate artist = uh oh, there may be trouble ahead.
Anonymous said...
'Touting his advert? I think you'll find Dr Spunky posted the pictures and created this thread.' YES, this blog is about highlighting all that is wrong with graf and street art, and this project is perfect for discussion here. as soon as you are elevated in the public eye you are also eligable for discussion...deal with it. if he didnt want people talking about it a) dont do the project b)take no pictures...oh hang on its an advert.
'Are you saying all of Eines pieces are adverts selling products? I don't think so.' I am. i am saying his recent works are selling products. lets look at his recent works - the winery in south africa, the mother advertising agency wall, the wall opposite commission for graphic design company, the moniker art fair, the selling a canvas to the camerons (and you call us tories...), the commissions...i looked on his website, and all the news is about screenprints and obama. when has he done something where he has not been commissioned? when has he done something in the last two years that hasnt had a screenprint release close? 'What about promoting a street art show?is that bad?' nothing. it would be nice to balance it out. why does everything have to promote something? why is everything going to be commissioned/promote a show/turned into a screenprint
Why do you so called art fans treat success with such bitterness and disdain? because we care. because we love art so much we dont bow down to whatever we see. because we have intelligence and a bit of knowledge on the scene and know somethings are shit and should be questioned. becuase i hate unimaginative shit get recognition and money when there are great artists unnoticed. becasue i get bored at people declaring artists works 'stunning' when they wouldnt get a b- in a gcse art exam. because i have loved graffitti and streetart but hate the way its been flooded with street and made me embarressed at liking it. because most of the successful artists in the small london-centric street art scene are killing it. if you count to 10, calm down youll notice we dont hate EVERYONE. not EVERYONE has a post filled with 20comments slating them...because not everyone deserves it. i dont hate anyone. i dont dislike everyone, but i do dislike a few artists, as is my right. why do we have to treat success with happiness and awe? should i treat Robbie Williams with happiness, reverence and unabashed love because of all the sales he has made? should i love and respect X Factor because its the media monster it is? should i be voting for adolf because the rest of the country. Its your way of thinking that leads to book burnings.
ReplyDeletebtw, I love the way that idiot above speaks for all of you. Are you all lost sheep? this priceless. lost sheep? blindly argueing for eine spot. calling.kettle...you know the rest!
Eine had a bit of success and you all feel let down because the secret got out. im glad you use past tense 'had'...he is making his own career coffin unless he drops new styles. ive never liked his shutters so i dont give a shit if the secret got out. not much of a secret if he is painting giant shutters around old st though...
'Boo hoo to the Shoreditch toss-monkeys." seen that mother commission video? Eine says its where he goes to paint in london. only in shoreditch. what does that say....why not brixton, ladbroke grove? they have people there? its street art, they have streets there...oh sorry! silly me! no graphic design agencies there! doh!
'Null mentions monetary gain and profiteering.That IS what upsets you guys isn't it.' No..its not. and thats the only argument you unapologetic 'yes'men fall back on. Its always the artists, the buyers (protecting their expensive artworks)...i dont care about the money. im not jealous of eine having a studio and house for his son in hastings thanks to street art...i truly dont care. im not a washed out artist. The reason im here is because i hate hypocrites, loud mouthed idiots and also because i actually have passion for something - graffitti, street art and art in general, and cant stand chancers/loud mouthed know it alls (i.e you and Eine).
ReplyDelete'You can't stand it when an artist....any artist, leaves the street artist 'nest'.' i want Eine to leave the street art nest! ill help him pack his bags. he's from graffitti but now only does legals/ paid commissions...or the gallerys. hes not good enough to go alone on the merits and strengths of his art in the wider gallery art world, without his street background he is nothing in the art world. and now the streets are turning...oh dear, where does that leave him? neither legitimate street artist nor legitimate artist = uh oh, there may be trouble ahead.
Anonymous said...
'Touting his advert? I think you'll find Dr Spunky posted the pictures and created this thread.' YES, this blog is about highlighting all that is wrong with graf and street art, and this project is perfect for discussion here. as soon as you are elevated in the public eye you are also eligable for discussion...deal with it. if he didnt want people talking about it a) dont do the project b)take no pictures...oh hang on its an advert.
'Are you saying all of Eines pieces are adverts selling products? I don't think so.' I am. i am saying his recent works are selling products. lets look at his recent works - the winery in south africa, the mother advertising agency wall, the wall opposite commission for graphic design company, the moniker art fair, the selling a canvas to the camerons (and you call us tories...), the commissions...i looked on his website, and all the news is about screenprints and obama. when has he done something where he has not been commissioned? when has he done something in the last two years that hasnt had a screenprint release close? 'What about promoting a street art show?is that bad?' nothing. it would be nice to balance it out. why does everything have to promote something? why is everything going to be commissioned/promote a show/turned into a screenprint
'Null mentions monetary gain and profiteering.That IS what upsets you guys isn't it.' No..its not. and thats the only argument you unapologetic 'yes'men fall back on. Its always the artists, the buyers (protecting their expensive artworks)...i dont care about the money. im not jealous of eine having a studio and house for his son in hastings thanks to street art...i truly dont care. im not a washed out artist. The reason im here is because i hate hypocrites, loud mouthed idiots and also because i actually have passion for something - graffitti, street art and art in general, and cant stand chancers/loud mouthed know it alls (i.e you and Eine).
ReplyDelete'You can't stand it when an artist....any artist, leaves the street artist 'nest'.' i want Eine to leave the street art nest! ill help him pack his bags. he's from graffitti but now only does legals/ paid commissions...or the gallerys. hes not good enough to go alone on the merits and strengths of his art in the wider gallery art world, without his street background he is nothing in the art world. and now the streets are turning...oh dear, where does that leave him? neither legitimate street artist nor legitimate artist = uh oh, there may be trouble ahead.
'Touting his advert? I think you'll find Dr Spunky posted the pictures and created this thread.' YES, this blog is about highlighting all that is wrong with graf and street art, and this project is perfect for discussion here. as soon as you are elevated in the public eye you are also eligable for discussion...deal with it. if he didnt want people talking about it a) dont do the project b)take no pictures...oh hang on its an advert.
ReplyDelete'Are you saying all of Eines pieces are adverts selling products? I don't think so.' I am. i am saying his recent works are selling products. lets look at his recent works - the winery in south africa, the mother advertising agency wall, the wall opposite commission for graphic design company, the moniker art fair, the selling a canvas to the camerons (and you call us tories...), the commissions...i looked on his website, and all the news is about screenprints and obama. when has he done something where he has not been commissioned? when has he done something in the last two years that hasnt had a screenprint release close? 'What about promoting a street art show?is that bad?' nothing. it would be nice to balance it out. why does everything have to promote something? why is everything going to be commissioned/promote a show/turned into a screenprint
Some great points, well made. Thanks for taking your time to answer some of my questions.
ReplyDeleteI would like to point out that this thread is now so popular that it's sponsored
ReplyDeletewtf is that all about?
now that this thread bemoaning an advertisment is itself being an advertisment, can i set up 'streetartisdeadblogspotisdeadblogspot' and whinge about his we sold out?
ReplyDeletei want to add that as is always the way, i am inspired and glad people can voice up on this blog...it makes a change to see other sides of the coin
where's the ad? where's the ad? Dammit where's my cash and gift from Banksy while we're at it
ReplyDeleteHere's your ad:
ReplyDelete"Buy our wine, serve it to your guests, so that they will be drunk enough to think your crappy art collection is actually really, really fantastic"
Thank you
Stormhoek
p.s. read our website, we are changing the world one sip at a time. yes, that's right, we've realised that people under the influence of alcohol make positive changes to society, like clogging up hospitals, running down pregnant mothers with their cars, and pissing on your dustbin. we are do-gooders doing good, which makes our friend Mr.Eine a good person doing a good job, so stop saying nasty things about him.
sorry kids, it was me really. I thought it was time for a comedy interlude!
ReplyDeleteI got bored of everyone shouting and thought it would be interesting to find out what the wine company Stormhoek were all about. my very brief look gives me the impression they are the "innocent smoothies" of the wine world. maybe they are helping people through selling wine. so maybe Eine got paid, but did some good at the same time? y'know, like a doctor does. they don't work for free, do they?
I still think the "art work" that started this line of discussion is pretty poor, but is it a bad thing to be paid to work for positivity? Can anyone be bothered to find out if Stormhoek are a "good" company? What if it turns out Eine is drawing attention to a company that does good for people? What if he was paid to paint a piece for a hospital or charity? Is that ok? Or do we, as artists, have to give our time for free to good causes? Can the hospital therefore ask the plumber to fix the toilets for free? Shouldn't nurses work for free, since they are helping people? see, grey areas, it's getting tricky. politics isn't just red and blue, it's not that simple. good and bad, right and wrong, it's not that simple...
If artists have to balance the paid work they do with charity work, then what about everyone else? Why is it ok for a taxi driver to earn his money by a means that pollutes the air everyone breathes? Shouldn't he be forced to repay his debt to society (his polluting), just like you expect Eine too? Everyone has a right to earn money, just as we all are allowed to decide how we spend the money we earn.
And I'm sure, as he no doubt earns more money than the rest of us, he's paying more tax money to the government than we are. So he's employing more nurses, and building more bombs. So he's a hero and a villain!!! See what I mean? Grey areas...
Anyway, I'm tired. There's probably been a Simpsons episode saying exactly what I just wrote, so I'm wasting my time! Good night x
you liking the rattle of your own keyboard a bit too much methinks.
ReplyDeleteGrey areas???
that 'ad' was where (w)eine got the wording for his piece from, that's the make of the wine in the vats
ReplyDeleteNo you Tory lover, there was an orange word/link on the homepage next to this particular thread. It was an advert.
ReplyDeleteYou so called street art lovers should remember that Eine was bombing walls for 15 years before he started printing for pow. A middle aged bloke with kids is hardly going to keep on bombing just to keep you lot happy now is he? He was literally going to end up in prison too. Despite that he's still done some massive illegal pieces like VANDALISM and SCARY, just for art's sake.
If someone comes along, liking what you normally do for free, for a buzz and offers you cash to repeat the style in an advert, would you really say no? You hypocrites make me spew.
The guy does a massive free piece highlighting the tragic nature of knife crime and you guys moan because it's in the same style as he normally does his work in. (do you think that's the fucking reason why they chose him?....because people would recognise it maybe)
Eine then does the enormous Prince Charles piece, in a completely different style, taking his art in a new direction and you call him unimaginative. He can't win can he? That's because some of you are so full of bile and hatred that you can't see the wood for the trees.
Selling his art was a natural progression.
He was there at the start of the scene, he's one of the reasons why the scene is so big and interesting and he deserves every bit of good fortune that comes his way.
I am not jax, I am not Eine, I'm just a fan of street art.
Every artist want's recognition for their art but you guys hate it when they get it.
I suppose there'll be a torrent of posts moaning that his work is boring and same same. I'm sure they said that to Monet regarding his obsession with water lillies too. What a pointless argument.
that prince charles piece was utter shit
ReplyDeleteThe vandalism piece and the scary piece you claim to be illegal were actually legal permission pieces granted by the Village Underground venue for vandalism and probably Cargo for Scary.
ReplyDeleteWere you one of the screaming horde of Eine fans that got all upset when some old school London writers went over Vandalism after seeking permission from the venue not even seeing the irony involved with complaining about it being painted over?
That Change piece could have been about anything as it's message was so vague unless you knew it's intentions and the background history. Again you overlook it exactly resembling his commercial and non commercial work thus rendering it powerless like if Coke did a HIV awareness charity poster but used their same typeface, and colour scheme.
Eine's work is nothing like as ground breaking as Monet's work at the time of it's creation. Maybe if Eine had been doing this in the 60's the comparison would be valid.
It's one big boregasm you seem to be drowning yourself in.
I and I Imagine many on here don't here hate success, we hate blind conformity, dullness and rampant consumerism.
oh and yes that Prince Charles piece was god awful and again not at all original as the techniques been done (much better) by a myriad of other artists both on the street and in galleries.
ReplyDelete.......''That Change piece could have been about anything as it's message was so vague unless you knew it's intentions and the background history. Again you overlook it exactly resembling his commercial and non commercial work thus rendering it powerless like if Coke did a HIV awareness charity poster but used their same typeface, and colour scheme.''
ReplyDeleteYes but if coke changed their typeface then you wouldn't know it was coke and it wouldn't have the same impact. Can you really not understand that?
The Eine 'CHANGE' took two years for permission to be granted. The parents of the tragic kid approached Eine and chose the word. Still not good enough for some of you though.
If he'd completely altered the typeface then it wouldn't have had the same impact would it?
why? because people would not have realised it was by Eine and therefore would not have raised the topic question. Don't be so blinkered.
This was weeks after the Obama news so it was absolutely perfect timing as Eines style and work became that little bit more known.
Also, while we're at it, as far as I'm aware Eine's 'POWER-UP' piece with RYCA was not a commission and again, was in a different style.
to me it seems that you rampant Eine apologist's only argument to still 'debate' on here is that he did an anti-knife crime piece
ReplyDelete1) we have never criticised this piece, eine for doing it or its sentiment
2) just because you do one good piece for a good cause, it does not excuse you from any criticism, justify your boring last five years of art or make you mother theresa
I only mention it because you guys insist he only does commissions.
ReplyDeleteI've used CHANGE, VANDALISM, POWER-UP and SCARY to name but a few to counter your incorrect opinions.
And you have criticized the piece, several time infact (read above)
It seems Eine can't win.
No, you're the one getting it completely back to front here. The fact that the anti-knife crime piece was done in exactly the same style as all of his other work renders it impotent because it just looks like he's painted another giant banal word, just the same as he always does.
ReplyDeleteSo unless someone already knows the quite obscure story behind it, they're more likely to think it's an Obama style cheesy political slogan painted to celebrate David Cameron becoming prime minister. Especially with Eine's history as a Conservative party ass-kisser.
no, you have it wrong.
ReplyDeleteSo, this was painted at the very zenith of Eine hype/celebration, a time when the media were following his every move, weeks after the worlds most powerful man takes hold of a Ben Eine piece, and you think the way to get the best publicity was to do it in an unrecognisable, style?
The very fact that it was instantly recognisable highlighted the cause.
I guess you don't work in advertising do you?
Nope, unlike your hero Eine (A.K.A David Cameron's rent boy) I'm not in the advertising business. I bet the Conservative party have already got him lined up to do the billboards for the next election.
ReplyDeleteIf a message about knife crime is to be effective, it needs to at least address the issue, rather than being just another meaningless political slogan. Obama and Shepard Fariey did the word 'Change' to death, so much so that it's now just an empty cliché.
Let's be honest though, Eine doesn't give a fuck about the kid that got stabbed. He just used this as a way to get himself some more cheap publicity. That's how fucking low certain sections of the street art movement have become.
it was 2 years in the planning you ignorant fool
ReplyDeleteYeah, two years planning, yet he still couldn't come up with anything better than a worn out Obama slogan. Just goes to show how completely braindead he is.
ReplyDeleteNow go and put your tongue back into Eine's rectum Jaxs.
I agree that anti knife crime came across as an Obama reference as it was painted days after the canvas gift by Cameron and that doing it doesn't grant Eine immunity from critism on all his other work.
ReplyDeleteAlso you neglect the fact that those Scary/Vandalism pieces were legal unlike you stated them as illegal.
That Powerup was again done in the same style and font as ones he did in 2007, I can't remember the word exactly as they're all so vague and samey. Think it was HELL? Anyway still more of the same legal bland brandalism with as much power in it's bite as a 17 year old Jack Russell that's lost all it's teeth.
Maybe as suggested you got to some Eine loving forum to rejoin the cheerleaders as you're not changing any minds here and you only draw more attention to the many glaring holes in Eine's worn out mask.
scarey and vandalism were illegal.
ReplyDeleteHe said so himself in vna 13.
Just because he said so in a magazine (especially one so biased and unquestioning as VN) doesn't make it true.
ReplyDeleteI know for a fact that Vandalism was legal as I know the bloke who used to be in charge of giving permission to paint that wall. He also told me Eine roped some poor girl in to help out with the projector he used to paint it.
Now thats some hardcore illegal work for you.
If 'Scary' was illegal then it would have been buffed ages ago, like everything else has been round Shoreditch.
ReplyDeleteI like Eine, so there!
ReplyDeleteHere Neate fan have a sticker to say so. There's a place for you where you can get 100's of envious banal comments for such a trivial thing.
ReplyDeleteEine is a street God.
ReplyDeleteEineism will be a recognised religion by this time next year.
I'll be happy to worship a genuine legend.
You fuckers stick with your paedophile kaws prints, I know where the real art it at!
My God he's only gone and spelt it wrong. What a retard.
ReplyDeleteYou would think someone who is a signwriter/printer/bomber-got-lucky would make sure that at least he spelt the thing right but no, it says PASSINATE
instead of PASSIONATE........what an epic moron!!!
I realise he sometimes leaves letters out to make things fit, but surely anyone with a modicum of brains would have used a & instead of an 'and' and added a ! or two at the end or something at the beginning or some such juggling strategy essential to the craft of a signwriter to make it work....especially the most powerful word in the 'composition'.
You'd think that being bereft of any talent other than being in the right place at the right time with a can of paint he would make damned sure not to show himself up to have the intellect of a bowl of pea soup which is clearly the case.
This halfwit should have got one of the labourers from the plant to check his work for him before he started.
I like your bile but it is spelt right. He's crowbarred the O in round the side of the vat before the N.
ReplyDeleteThat being so it's nearly as bad as misspelling it.
If it can't be seen from the angle at which the piece is intended to be viewed, bearing in mind that most people who see it will see it on the web, then he might aswell have done the extra 'O'on a shutter in Clerkenwell.
ReplyDeleteBut then again making this point is futile and akin to pointing out a particularly bit of bad acting by Paris Hilton.
It's just fucking poorly planned.
ReplyDeleteLovely piece of work on an epic scale!
ReplyDeleteEine is on a higher level!
well if an advert is scaled up it must be good and have more impact? If you see an ad in the paper for a Big Mac does your saliva start to flow but when you see it on a billboard do you rush like a rabid raccoon to the nearest Macdonalds?
ReplyDeleteEine is on the payroll.
I Think it's spelt McDonald's actually. Obviously advertising doesn't have that much of an impact on you, so where's does that leave your anti Eine argument now?
ReplyDeleteGreat piece Eine, keep up the good work sonny Jim!
Oh I'm very glad adverts don't really soak into my mind like they pour welcomingly into your eyes.
ReplyDeleteAnd anyone having to fall back on picking apart an argument based on spelling or grammar must be on really flimsy ground.
Amazing you don't apply the same critique on Eine's dodgy spelling/composition in order to crowbar things to work like does on this wine advert or on his alphabets?
Eine: nothing to say but everything to sell.
Eine: popular, in demand and a true leader of the street art scene
ReplyDeleteHannah Montana: Popular, in demand a true leader of the sexualising of minors, I mean exuberant teenage pop scene.
ReplyDeletePopular = good.
Cash = god.
P.S Where's Britney these days?
popular + tallented artist + cash = Eine/ street art God.
ReplyDeleteI for one would LOVE to jizz over Hannah Montana's little perky tits.
Nice one Eine.
ReplyDeleteSo Eine did an advert? Every fucking thing in street art operates like an advert. Some are better than others, thats all.
Get used to it
Nah RJ's dad. It's blatantly boring shit regurgitated in the same verbatim style even discounting it's a Weine advert.
ReplyDeleteOh deary fucking dear, Eine done an advert.
ReplyDeleteSo fucking what, Tony Hawk sells xbox games, Tiger Woods promotes Gillette razors, Brainwash done a Nike trainer print and Banksy painted a tesco soup can.
Who the fuck would be so fucking sanctimonious and up their own arse as to actually give a fuck.
pretty fucking sad you weeney little Eine haters.
Admit it you just want to jizz all over Weine's NHS specs and rub it into his bald spot.
ReplyDeleteI'll wager you have them gay teenager star tattoos all over your weeny like he has on his arms you desperately want to be cradled in.
basically , for someone whose area of specaility is supposed to be typography .. this wine advert is
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what a boring sanctimonious little cunt you are. If you don't like an artist, move on and shut the fuck up.
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Shouldnt you be making multiple accounts on the urbane arse forum so you can vote up your little leg-end's chance of winning an award almost as pointless as his art?
kiss my balls bitch tits. You pathetic attempt at word play doesn't even make sense you silly cunt.
ReplyDeleteEINE IS SO WHORING
ReplyDeleteReally like Eines stuff, he only gets stick on this horrible blog!!!!
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Really like Eines stuff, he only gets stick on this horrible blog!!!!
ReplyDeletebasically , for someone whose area of specaility is supposed to be typography .. this wine advert is
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Nice one Eine.
ReplyDeleteSo Eine did an advert? Every fucking thing in street art operates like an advert. Some are better than others, thats all.
Get used to it
Why do you so called art fans treat success with such bitterness and disdain? because we care. because we love art so much we dont bow down to whatever we see. because we have intelligence and a bit of knowledge on the scene and know somethings are shit and should be questioned. becuase i hate unimaginative shit get recognition and money when there are great artists unnoticed. becasue i get bored at people declaring artists works 'stunning' when they wouldnt get a b- in a gcse art exam. because i have loved graffitti and streetart but hate the way its been flooded with street and made me embarressed at liking it. because most of the successful artists in the small london-centric street art scene are killing it. if you count to 10, calm down youll notice we dont hate EVERYONE. not EVERYONE has a post filled with 20comments slating them...because not everyone deserves it. i dont hate anyone. i dont dislike everyone, but i do dislike a few artists, as is my right. why do we have to treat success with happiness and awe? should i treat Robbie Williams with happiness, reverence and unabashed love because of all the sales he has made? should i love and respect X Factor because its the media monster it is? should i be voting for adolf because the rest of the country. Its your way of thinking that leads to book burnings.
ReplyDeletebtw, I love the way that idiot above speaks for all of you. Are you all lost sheep? this priceless. lost sheep? blindly argueing for eine spot. calling.kettle...you know the rest!
Eine had a bit of success and you all feel let down because the secret got out. im glad you use past tense 'had'...he is making his own career coffin unless he drops new styles. ive never liked his shutters so i dont give a shit if the secret got out. not much of a secret if he is painting giant shutters around old st though...
'Boo hoo to the Shoreditch toss-monkeys." seen that mother commission video? Eine says its where he goes to paint in london. only in shoreditch. what does that say....why not brixton, ladbroke grove? they have people there? its street art, they have streets there...oh sorry! silly me! no graphic design agencies there! doh!
And we come full circle.
ReplyDeleteNull mentions monetary gain and profiteering.
That IS what upsets you guys isn't it.
You can't stand it when an artist....any artist, leaves the street artist 'nest'.
If it can't be seen from the angle at which the piece is intended to be viewed, bearing in mind that most people who see it will see it on the web, then he might aswell have done the extra 'O'on a shutter in Clerkenwell.
ReplyDeleteBut then again making this point is futile and akin to pointing out a particularly bit of bad acting by Paris Hilton.
Yeah, you've got the fucking Internet though haven't you?!
ReplyDeleteAnd you know a lot about cadburys and McDonald's adverts.
We've all got to earn a crust my lad, even a drop out who doesn't own a tv/car/jewellery/house has to pay the bills.
Or are you just a part time pimp/part time forum blogger/ part time Eine expert?
Sounds to me like you're a lazy dss scrounger.
Eine has a great eye for colour contrasts and his free hand skills should be respected. Don't forget he's a master screen printer as well. More talented than Mr 'get my cronies to do it' Banksy.
God damn I love this blog! At last somewhere to balance out all the new jack street art arselickers
ReplyDeleteBack on topic. Eine is a cunt and this piece is shit...
ReplyDeleteNothing new in the cliched world of street art. Next week everyone's favourite Charlie 'pure shit' Pure Evil will release some hair straighteners and Remi Rough will have a little moan that no one has given him any recognition over the past 25 years
Oh yeah, that's what I ment.
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Nobody buys the Guardian, you've been told that already. So don't make me humiliate you again, you muggy cunt. You sound like Eine, or one of his middle class bumlicking pals desperately trying to change the subject off of how shit his letters are.
ReplyDeleteIs Jane Jaxs's halitosis the result of how often and how far her tongue's up Eine's arse?
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Ok, thanks. Maybe I just can't see comments because I'm not subscribed to the Lord Brandalflog hype cartel.
ReplyDeleteAs for the giant letters, they were boring but mildly tolerable when on shop shutters, because at least then they wouldn't be visible during the daytime. But now they've started appearing quite a bit on walls too they've crossed over into the realm of being something really annoying on a level with advertising that you're bombarded with and can't get away from. For me, their scale and monotony have a threatening authoritarian connotation that feels like a cop screaming in your face.
25%? Shhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiittttttt!
ReplyDeleteI just read Eine's interview in VNA. I would have liked to see him back in his clubbing days! That would be awesome!
ReplyDeleteI dunno. When I first moved to London in 95 I saw a bunch of his trackside pieces and I kinda like his style, more than most others. I saw a thing on tv about him in 98, about him wearing a suit to work but bombing at night, and I thought it was pretty interesting, even if his tag-thing I didn't really understand. The girl I was watching it in bed with didn't understand the whole thing at all, why anyone would spend their nights walking across town to spray paint weird squiggles on walls? The relationship didn't last long.
In 2004 he asked if I wanted to make a print with POW. The artists at that time got 25% of the price the punters paid. I didn't think that was a enough, and told him I wasn't interested in making Banksy richer. He sent a five word email back - "Fuck off then, you cunt". I love it!!! I thought that was brilliant! I'm sure I badly injured my "career" turning down POW, and my not selling a few posters through them obviously didn't hurt Banksy's financial situation either!
But I just don't get why everyone is so crazy about these letters on shutters. What is it that excites them so? When I look at them I just see wonky circus typography. I'm a big fan of hand-drawn type, and have seen a lot of really good stuff. Eine's just ain't all that.
When I look at this piece above I have absolutely no feeling what-so-ever. It's not bad or good or stupid or interesting or engaging or challenging or thought-provoking or ugly or, well, anything. It's just kind of, I dunno, nothing. I wish I knew what it was that people saw in this stuff. I feel like I'm missing out, like I'm too stupid to "get it", like the person who missed the joke. Someone help!
The irony is, the VNA kids sent me a bunch of Eine fridge magnets, which I obviously stuck on the fridge, and when my girlfriend saw them she said "WOW! THESE ARE GREAT!"
I guess at least now I am somehow like the President of the United States of America... I wonder if he understands it!?
yours
Confused in Berlin